Showing posts with label Battlefields. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Battlefields. Show all posts

Saturday, November 30

I have been to.... Battery #2 Stokes Bay

Hugely entertaining* and interesting afternoon out this week visiting another one of the local mesh of defences built to defend Portsmouth and the Home Fleet at the tail end of the 19th Century - and known collectively as Palmerston Forts (or Folly's if you are of a cynical bent). This time it was to Stokes Bay No. 2 Battery..

*(said no one in the world ever.. apart from a wargamer..😏)
Battery #2 in about 1890 - I've coloured the moat to make it more obvious..

This Battery was the largest of five (!) batteries built along the Stokes Bay Lines in Gosport (at what I think todays equivalent would have been about £12.5M which seems good value), positioned to dominate Spithead, the (Portsmouth) harbour entrance and the eastern Solent but also to provide enfilade and covering fire for other positions in the lines. What remains today is an architectural onion - so many layers you don't think you could ever unpick them all!

Here's what it was built to cover - Portsmouth to the left (east), Spithead and the eastern Solent in front

Either way, here's my amateur attempt (and some of the others I visited with, who are fellow members of the Palmerston Forts Society [clicky], are unbelievably knowledgeable on this stuff) to try and explain what I saw, and how it fits.

South/sea facing side - those emplacements had 68 pdrs smooth bores first, then 64pdr rifled muzzle loaders, then 7" Rifled Muzzle Loaders.. there's also two layers on show - the darker and lighter concrete marks the transition in the late 1890's

The Battery went operational in about 1862, it had taken four years to build. It was originally designed to mount 15 guns (the majority of which were 8" smooth bore muzzle loaders, but there were also a couple of 68pdrs) mostly in casemates very similar to those featured earlier in the Blog in the Hilsea Lines, and also like Hilsea it was protected by a moat that went all the way round it

All that remains of the original moat - this is on the west side running north/south

The casemates were arranged in four ranges (and the map at the top should help you to orientate): 

  • Left/Front Face with 2 guns on the rampart firing out to sea (guessing they were the 68pdrs). 
  • Right/West Face with 6 guns  in casemates covering Browndown (another part of the lines) to the west. 
  • Right/North West Flank with 2 guns firing north-west to provide enfilade fire for Fort Gomer (another part of the lines). 
  • Left/East Flank with 3 guns in casemates firing to the east and 2 further guns in open positions covering the beach in advance of the moat. 
The rear of the battery is open (it was positioned in such a way that the other battery's and forts could cover it, in the same way it did for the others) and when it was built there was no permanent accommodation  (the crews would have had rest area's, but no permanent barracks).  

Looking down from the ramparts at the back of the west facing casemates - note they are two sizes..  the bigger one's had the guns (and greenhouses πŸ˜€) in, the smaller between them would have been some kind of rest area for the crews.. note also how the casemate to the left has been half built over as a result of later developments of the battery

In the 1880s the smooth bore armament was upgraded, with two 64pdr Rifled Muzzle Loading guns mounted on the front face and 7" Rifled Breech Loading (RBL) guns elsewhere. 

In 1892, following a consultation, the two 64pdr's were replaced with 7" Rifled Muzzle Loading (RML) guns mounted on those fascinating Moncrieff disappearing carriages within the concrete emplacements on top of the battery. Within the battery there were two shell stores/magazines containing 930 7" RBL and 180 7" RML shells (plus barrels of powder and separate charges)

Number 2 Battery’s armament was again reviewed (and upgraded) in 1899 (fourth upgrade in effect - but this was 37 years after the battery went live so not surprising) along with significant changes to the structure. The 7" Rifled Muzzle Loading guns mounted on the Moncrieff disappearing carriages were replaced with state of the art 6-inch mark VII guns, new magazines were constructed for each gun, together with an additional reserve cartridge store between them. The old casemates were converted into crew shelters, stores and a married quarters. Some of the old gun casemates were used to install five cone mounted (think upside down funnel with the gun mounted on the spout) maxim machine guns for local defence. 

The West facing casemates - largely covered as part of the 1899 upgrade/changes - the Museum has plans to get an additional grant to uncover the front face..

Unfortunately the construction changes made for this upgrade were far reaching in terms of ongoing damage to the structure as well - the new bits were basically all concrete, and just slapped on top of the old, and which resulted in the huge numbers of chimneys/vents/lifts left to leak for a 150+ years until the current leaseholders (the Historic Diving Society Museum) managed to obtain a Lottery grant to reverse/stop the damage. Think this work is now largely done, and the Museum will re-open next summer..

New (left) and old (right) - with an air gap to allow wet/damp/growth..πŸ˜•

The battery was finally disarmed in the early 1900's following the findings of the 1905 Owen Committee who had reviewed all the the defences in the Stokes Bay area and come to the conclusion that the only enemy they would face would already have been badly damaged by outer defences. In the opinion of the Navy this damage would have been bad enough to discourage any further attack so the forts/battery's were superfluous..

The story is not yet over though as in the 1930's the local council purchased the Battery (they still own it), the old parade was used as a caravan park (and greenhouse store 😏) and the casemates for storage but in 1982 the Battery was used as the councils ‘nuclear bunker’ albeit only for 4 or so years..

A leftover from the cold war - this was/is the radiation air filter for the nuclear bunker..

OK some further photo's which I'll try and group according to context..  these are the two 6-inch mark VII gun emplacements


Base for the gun mount would have bolted to those.. not  lot of difference between this and the next picture but this was the east of the two emplacements..

West emplacement...

Expense magazine perhaps?


I'm a sucker for a casemate - so the following show exteriors and interiors..

Expense magazine (for TV storage who knew 😏) interior of one of the west facing casemates.. 162 years that wood surround has lasted - they could have made it a straight edge but they chose to put in a compound curve of both bricks and wooden lintel..  bless 'em..

Gun opening, same casemate, behind the blanket - note air vent above the opening.. there's soil the other side currently..

Fully renovated opening on the east side - going to guess this would have been one of the casemates used for the Maxim's - note also the angled edges in the grass which have been put in to show the angle of cover the original gun would have provided - very clever idea who ever had it!

Time now to move inside the Battery - the following is the (now) main entrance to the battery which is in the middle of the east facing casemates. Unlike the west facing casemates, these are enclosed..

Casemate gallery, gun openings to the right - note curved blast proof ceilings

The museum is storing it's exhibits in here, but the gun opening can just be seen - along with an expense store

"Recess, storage for the use of..."

Despite the face that the battery was no longer in use it does look like that at some point soldiers were barracked there as there are still some existing "autograph's" from the time - some of these are dated 1939/1944  and seem to be infantry regiments (rather than anti-aircraft as you might expect)..


Going to guess this might have been a magazine for the guns in the east casemate - it sits at the end of the gallery..


Then last of all down into the bowels of the battery to what would have been those new magazines for the MkVII 7" guns..

"Serving hatches" for the magazine - shells would have come through here, to be put on the mechanical hoists up to the guns on top of the battery

That's a vent - but this is the hall where shells would have been loaded on to the hoists..

Inside one of the magazines - light sconce on the wall would have had a lamp in it, with a glass screen either side..  issuing hatch for shells to the left..

Two more lamp sconces, stairs go up to the west casemate

Close up of a lamp sconce - there are loads of these all over the building, but still those Victorian builders put in the fancy airbricks

Battery insignia - Alpha battery..







Fantastic day out - very much recommended for a visit..  

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Saturday, June 1

I have been to... HMS M33

Just back from a visit to Portsmouth Historic dockyard where this time I went to see a 'most interesting' ship, one I'd never actually visited before..  which is one of the joys of the year long ticket, you can go and see stuff that normally you'd miss out on due to time constraints.

HMS M33 (for such is she) would have been considered so insignificant she wasn't even given a name when launched, but she is an M29 class monitor (one of five) ordered in March 1915 from Harland and Wolf in Belfast, she was then commissioned in the June; just 12 weeks give or take. Unbelievably fast considering the number of other ships being built by H&W at the same time, but to be fair, she's pretty simple in construction terms, and not enormous..

Good overview of the layout..

Like Warrior, she owes her continued existence to a large dose of luck, but mostly an extraordinary variety of roles over the years that kept her just useful enough not to scrap.. of all the ships I've seen in the Historic Dockyard, this one along with Alliance (the submarine) and Victory is the one I enjoyed most - absolutely fascinating boat..  the volunteers clearly love her, and are also enthused! 

Unlike the other ships in the dockyard she has had what they call a "sympathetic" restoration - she has had a long, and at times hard, life with lots of physical changes made to her over the years, but the conservationists have returned her as much as they can to how she would have been when launched, but without replacing all the physical changes that have been made in the interim - no spit and polish, just a lot of work to stabilise corrosion and rot..  I think they've done an amazing job..

Bows on..

Note the towing eyes and guides on the waterline at the bow - there importance will become clearer following..

Stern - note also the shallow draft..

Not surprisingly, considering her type, M33 was a bombardment ship - designed to operate close in to shore and provide fire support for any land based operations..  as such, on launch, she was fitted with two 6"/152mm [clicky] guns which were capable of firing a 100lb shell. These were one of the most advanced naval guns in the Navy at the start of WWI, and usually fitted to Cruisers and Battleships - M33 (and her sister ships) had a bite and was clearly considered important enough to justify the use of the guns on such a small ship- I have read elsewhere that the guns were originally earmarked for a new class of battleship, but the design of the battleship changed so the guns became temporarily surplus..  serendipitous!

Main armament - this one at the stern - note also the secondary 6pdr quick firer for close quarters support under covers on the deck above..  oh, and Victory photobombing.. 😍

 No hydraulics - all shells were lifted from magazine to gun by man power.. example of the type of conservation.. enough to give you an idea of what the space was and how it worked, but otherwise a100+ year old ship - warts and all..

Aft magazine - there would have been another forward for the forward gun

Aft small arms magazine - just forward of the main magazine

I mentioned she was not enormous, and small she is; just over 170 foot long and only 30 foot wide, unbelievably though, her draft is only just less than 6 foot (1m 80cm in new money) - to put that in context that's only 3 foot more than my boat! She'd float in a puddle, but you'd need your seasick pills if you were in anything like a seaway as she would have rocked like a pig, they were also known for lifting the stern so high in any waves that the propeller would clear the water..  to account for this they tended to be towed if they had to go any distance..  

Aft upper deck - ships boat (a whaler) and the 6pdr quick firing gun just behind.. note the simple riveted deck plates

Searchlight/signal light was on rails and could be slid from one side of the ship to the other..

M33's first commission, under the command of Lieutenant-Commander Q.B. Preston-Thomas, was in support of the Gallipoli landings, and for that she was towed all the way, I can only imagine how hellish it must have been for the 5 officers and 67 crew while crossing the Bay of Biscay under tow... it also took a while, as they ran out of fresh provisions on the way and had to resort to tinned/preserved food well before eventually arriving in Malta 3 weeks later.

Speaking of which dining arrangements were spartan...

Three meals a day for the entire crew - including officers - was prepared on this range!




After Gallipoli (which she supported until the evacuation) she was at Salamis for the taking of the Greek fleet, but on return was then sent to Murmansk in 1919 as part of the force sent by the Royal Navy to support the North Russian Expeditionary Force against the Bolsheviks. This is the second ship in the Historic Dockyard where I have heard mention of this expedition (one of the MGB exhibits made mention of it as well, as Naval VC's were won there, must read up on it..

Representation of the crew as it would have been at Gallipoli

On her return to England, she was laid up at the Nore until 1924 when she was converted for mine-laying duties at Pembroke Dock. She was re-commissioned on 3 February 1925 and finally got a name, HMS Minerva, and then became a tender at the Portsmouth school of torpedo and anti-submarine warfare (HMS Vernon).

M33 in mine laying role..  guns gone

Officers quarters:

  Officers cabin - first lieutenant I think..  with ships cat (of which there was one 😏)

 Corridor for officers cabins - with shower space at the end


Captains cabin


Officers mess

By 1939, and the start of WW2, she was being used in Portsmouth for a variety of purposes including being used as a fuelling barge, she was finally hulked the following year before being converted into a boom defence workshop in 1943, when she lost her name and became C23(M), and was towed to the Clyde to become part of the boom defences for the remainder of the war.

The bridge:

Engine controls..  steering position is the platform to the right..

Helmsman stood up high so as to be able to see over any smoke from the forward gun firing..

Radio room - hugely important as this would have been the main means of receiving information on targets for firing at, and how their shells were landing..  like something out of Jules Verne..

Gunnery officers cabin was separate to the other officers - located just under the bridge

Gunnery officers cabin - other end..

She came back to Portsmouth from the Clyde in 1946 and continued (for over 40 years!) in her newest role as a floating workshop and office servicing local auxiliary craft, where she was based at Royal Clarence Yard in Gosport, but with her name changed once more to RMAS (Royal Maritime Auxiliary Service) Minerva. 

Warrant officers mess..

Crews quarters - with the exception of the Marines, the Warrant officers, and the officers - all of them slept in here..

Crews quarters - other side showing the mess arrangements typical of the Navy - you can see the same in Victory and Warrior..

Marines quarters

She was finally disposed of in 1987, when she was taken to Hartlepool for restoration in recognition of her importance as one of the last surviving examples of a Royal Navy WWI era warship.

Five Monitors during the Gallipoli campaign: M33 is second from the left (piccie copyright IWM)

Amazing ship...

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