Saturday, January 13

"Firing into the Brown" #36 - "Fort Hillsea" stuff..

"So Carnehan weeds out the pick of his men, and sets the two of the Army to show them drill and at the end of two weeks the men can manoeuvre about as well as Volunteers. So he marches with the Chief to a great big plain on the top of a mountain, and the Chiefs men rushes into a village and takes it; we three Martinis firing into the brown of the enemy".

Kipling "The Man Who Would Be King"

Time for another update...
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An interesting snippet from the "Illustrated Times" of April 26th, 1862, that I found somewhere on Farcebook. If you click on it, it should embigen pleasingly, and also just about be readable...  the interesting bit is right at the bottom which makes reference to "Fort Hillsea" (sic)


So another bit of the Hilsea lines, but in this case a part that is no longer there, and indeed long gone..

See following for what those rather fanciful gates in the article would have actually looked like - this picture is taken looking north - note the guardhouses either side on what would have been the "inside" of the wall as far as any enemy is concerned..

"View looking north through Hilsea Arches to Cosham, England, with a tram under the arches, circa 1900. (Photo by Hulton Archive/Getty Images)"

The Arches were demolished about 1920'ish (I've seen multiple sources quoting anything between 1919 and 1922, and it could well be they are all right as it must have taken a while). as part of access improvements to the island - at the time there would only have been one road* onto the whole island and I would have thought that by then, with the exponential growth in motorised and other traffic, the double arches would have been more than a bit of a choke point...  

This shows them mid-destruction..  one of the arches has already gone - view is looking north again..
picky courtesy Portsmouth City Museum

...and this is where they would have been, picture taken from what would have been the northern side of them...  very roughly, they would have lined up between the building on the left, and the petrol station/loo's on the right...  

See following - this picture would have been taken from the same side of the arches as the above - but probably later 1930s'ish and shows the fortifications either side of the Arches also being demolished (for two bus depots of all things!)... you can just see the remains of the old guard houses..

The aforementioned bus depot (at least it's still there ๐Ÿ˜) ..  the Lines run west of it .. behind the tree's

* over the years that road access has changed three times - this was the first incarnation (following).. two lanes, simple metal bridge, wooden deck, eventually reinforced so as to carry trams, but note the 'mechanicals' in the middle. The bridge was designed to retract, to roll back, so as to allow the passage of the gunboats foreseen as being part of the overall defences for the Lines

By the 1930's we got this one - following - four lanes, concrete sides..  this picture was taken in 1939..  you can see why those arches and the fortifications had to go! Note the lamp posts, by the way..


The 3rd iteration arrived in the 1970's and is known round here as the 'Hilsea Wall of Death' - far too dull to show a picture of, but some of the the remains of the second iteration can still be seen (following) - and those are the same lamp posts we see behind that sandbagged guard point in the picture above...


You can see the line of the creek (following) that still makes Portsmouth the island it is.. imagine 150 years ago, and there could have been gunboats patrolling that stretch of water as part of the overall defence strategy for the lines..


..and this is the remains of the old bridge - now a car park alongside the new access road...  history is all around us.. ๐Ÿ˜€



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 Laters, as the young people are want to say...

9 comments:

  1. Fascinating. I've seen old illustrations of the bridge and its lamp-posts, but never knew anything about the demolished fort. Still, I only moved to Portsmouth in '88, and it had been gone a long time before then.

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    1. Cheers Dave... I know it's dull to most, but I find it absolutely fascinating... so much history all around us... so one of the snippets I found out was that at one point in time, the army owned *all* the land at the northern end of the island, purely because of the demands the Lines put on resources.. and thereby hangs the tail of the mural on the side of the Coach and Horses at Hilsea! :o))

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  2. Fascinating to see the changes to the same location Steve. I've been to Portsmouth several times by train and car, and never really thought of it as an island, though I know it is.

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    1. Cheers nundanket.. I find it fascinating.. it helps that it was basically just a huge military base in the mid to late 19th Century, and the archaeology is largely all still there, and in a lot of cases being used either under original or new ownership... what also gets me is the sheer QUANTITY of it... India was clearly the gift that kept giving in terms of government spending revenue..

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  3. Very interesting Steve. Fascinating what little clues are left over from the previous buildings. Also the sliding bridge means that we can have gunboats on a river any game we want.

    "fortifications either side of the Arches also being demolished (for two bus depots of all things!)" In Sydney a similar thing happened. Located on Sydney Harbour next to the CBD Macquarie Fort was demolished and replaced by tram sheds. Which of course need a prime water front position. These where then demolished and replaced by the Sydney Opera House. So all ended well. ๐Ÿ˜‚

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    1. Cheers Ben - rather the Opera House than the Corporation bus depot!! :o))

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  4. I've never been to Portsmouth but still find your post interesting. The historian in me always laments the destruction of historic fabric like this; damn the inconvenience! ;-) Modern traffic has a lot to answer for... I'm rather astonished that the mediaeval gates and walls of York have survived relatively intact given the rampant Philistinism of the world.

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    1. Cheers David... I must go to York one day, not had the pleasure yet..

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    2. It's well worth a visit; amongst all the mediaeval survivals there the cathedral is stunning, with half the mediaeval glass left in this country. As with any modern city in the UK, you have to flog through a lot of recent peripheral detritus to get to the mediaeval city itself, of course. ;-) (And the 1960s introduced some grotesque new builds even into the heart of old York so you need to be prepared for some "What the ..." moments while wandering round and enjoying.)

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